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  1. WORKTERRA
  2. WT-12613

County of San Luis Obispo - Critical Rate Issue

    Details

    • Type: Bug
    • Status: Rejected
    • Priority: High
    • Resolution: System Behaviour
    • Affects Version/s: None
    • Fix Version/s: None
    • Component/s: BenAdmin
    • Labels:
      None
    • Environment:
      Production
    • Bug Severity:
      Medium
    • Module:
      BenAdmin - Enrollment
    • Reported by:
      White Label
    • Company:
      County of San Luis Obispo

      Description

      Please check the rates on the critical illness plans below. The rate is issue age so employees should be getting a rate with the age as of "date of election"

      Aflac Critical Illness $15K 07/01/2016
      Aflac Critical Illness $15K EE + Spouse 07/01/2016
      Aflac Critical Illness $30K 07/01/2016
      Aflac Critical Illness $30K EE + Spouse 07/01/2016

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            Please find below points we have discussed in call.

            • There are no 2017 rates mapped to given Critical Illness plans
            • 2018 rates are mapped to Critical Illness plans with "Calculate Plan Costs On" flag set to "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election".
            • As rate has been customized to calculate age on "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election", but system is allocating cost as EE's age on "01/01/20018"
            • Dev needs to check if system is allocating cost as per rate start date even it is being customized to calculate age on "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election".
            • Dev needs to scan affected employees and also to share list of affected employees.

            We have scanned Critical Illness elections to check if they have been allocated with correct cost as per EE's age at the time of election instead of EE's age on "01/01/2018", we have found 19 employees affected of having wrong cost allocated. Please find attached list for the same (i.e. Affected_Employees.xls). I will share password in separate mail.

            We are working on finding root cause of this system behavior. Meanwhile, if we set rate start date to "01/01/2017" and recalculate the rate, employees will get proper cost (this was suggested by you in call). We have tested this on HSPL copy and it is working fine. Please let us know if you want to do same correction on main company.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Samir, Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited Hi Debbie Kulling , Please find below points we have discussed in call. There are no 2017 rates mapped to given Critical Illness plans 2018 rates are mapped to Critical Illness plans with "Calculate Plan Costs On" flag set to "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election". As rate has been customized to calculate age on "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election", but system is allocating cost as EE's age on "01/01/20018" Dev needs to check if system is allocating cost as per rate start date even it is being customized to calculate age on "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election". Dev needs to scan affected employees and also to share list of affected employees. We have scanned Critical Illness elections to check if they have been allocated with correct cost as per EE's age at the time of election instead of EE's age on "01/01/2018", we have found 19 employees affected of having wrong cost allocated. Please find attached list for the same (i.e. Affected_Employees.xls ). I will share password in separate mail. We are working on finding root cause of this system behavior. Meanwhile, if we set rate start date to "01/01/2017" and recalculate the rate, employees will get proper cost (this was suggested by you in call). We have tested this on HSPL copy and it is working fine. Please let us know if you want to do same correction on main company. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Samir , Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            amruta.lohiya Amruta Lohiya added a comment -

            Debbie Kulling
            This is not an issue.

            As per my write up for client on WT-12161

            If rates are starting from "1/1/2018" and rule is "at the time of election" then we consider age as of "1/1/2018" because rates effective start date is "1/1/2018" and it is the system behavior, which is working for all other clients. This company's requirement is different - rate is from 1/1/2018 and still they want cost as of 1/1/2017. We need to think to introduce different rule for such requirement.

            Please make sure that they want it like this only? then for time being we will correct rates from back end

            CC: Samir,Bharti Satpute,Satya,Umesh Kadam

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            amruta.lohiya Amruta Lohiya added a comment - Debbie Kulling This is not an issue. As per my write up for client on WT-12161 If rates are starting from "1/1/2018" and rule is "at the time of election" then we consider age as of "1/1/2018" because rates effective start date is "1/1/2018" and it is the system behavior, which is working for all other clients. This company's requirement is different - rate is from 1/1/2018 and still they want cost as of 1/1/2017. We need to think to introduce different rule for such requirement. Please make sure that they want it like this only? then for time being we will correct rates from back end CC: Samir , Bharti Satpute , Satya , Umesh Kadam
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            to clarify. If they want the rate to show the age as of 1/1/2016 then we need to change the rate start date to 1/1/2016. If that is correct then can you change the rate start date on the critical illness rates to 1/1/2016 so we can upload the new effective dates and recalculate the rates.

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - to clarify. If they want the rate to show the age as of 1/1/2016 then we need to change the rate start date to 1/1/2016. If that is correct then can you change the rate start date on the critical illness rates to 1/1/2016 so we can upload the new effective dates and recalculate the rates.
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Attached is a spreadsheet with employee that need their plan effective date changed to 7/1/2016. Once the rate effective date is changed can you please change the plan effective date for the attached employees and then recalculate the rate.

            All critical illness rates should be rated at the age of the employee at time of election.

            Please let us know as soon as this is complete.

            I will send password via email

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Attached is a spreadsheet with employee that need their plan effective date changed to 7/1/2016. Once the rate effective date is changed can you please change the plan effective date for the attached employees and then recalculate the rate. All critical illness rates should be rated at the age of the employee at time of election. Please let us know as soon as this is complete. I will send password via email
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Also please do these correction on stage or a copy. Once approve we can proceed with the changes on Production

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Also please do these correction on stage or a copy. Once approve we can proceed with the changes on Production
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            As discussed in call, we need to do following steps on HSPL copy in production

            1. Change plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for given employees (we have following query regarding this step.)
            2. Change Rate start date to 01/01/2016
            3. Re-calculate CI rates for all employees
            4. Grant access to Debbie Kulling for "County of San Luis Obispo For HSPL" in production.

            Query for #1 : From given list following 2 EEs changed their CI plan in 2018.

            1. Andrew Koval
            2. Jill Coomer

            Do we need to change their plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for 2017 CI elections? Please confirm.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , As discussed in call, we need to do following steps on HSPL copy in production Change plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for given employees (we have following query regarding this step.) Change Rate start date to 01/01/2016 Re-calculate CI rates for all employees Grant access to Debbie Kulling for "County of San Luis Obispo For HSPL" in production. Query for #1 : From given list following 2 EEs changed their CI plan in 2018. Andrew Koval Jill Coomer Do we need to change their plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for 2017 CI elections? Please confirm. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            We have done correction in HSPL copy (i.e. "County of San Luis Obispo For HSPL") in production and also provided access to you. Please check and confirm.

            Please note : We haven't done correction for 'Andrew Koval' and 'Jill Coomer'. Please confirm if we need to change their CI plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for 2017 elections.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited Hi Debbie Kulling , We have done correction in HSPL copy (i.e. "County of San Luis Obispo For HSPL") in production and also provided access to you. Please check and confirm. Please note : We haven't done correction for 'Andrew Koval' and 'Jill Coomer'. Please confirm if we need to change their CI plan effective date to 07/01/2016 for 2017 elections. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            Have you verified changes in HSPL copy? Please let us know when we need to do this correction in Production.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , Have you verified changes in HSPL copy? Please let us know when we need to do this correction in Production. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            I cannot see the HSPL company even with SA login

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - I cannot see the HSPL company even with SA login
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            I have activated HSPL copy on PROD. Please check and confirm.

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - I have activated HSPL copy on PROD. Please check and confirm.
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Umesh...I see that the effective dates of the rates were changed and the employee effective dates were changed. But the employees who have the rates changed to 7/1/2016 have No rate and the rates for the other employees are still wrong. It is still rating employees age as of 1/1/2018

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Umesh...I see that the effective dates of the rates were changed and the employee effective dates were changed. But the employees who have the rates changed to 7/1/2016 have No rate and the rates for the other employees are still wrong. It is still rating employees age as of 1/1/2018
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            Please find below our observations

            • Employees whose plan effective date has been changed to '07/01/2016' are NOT eligible to CI rates with effective date '07/01/2016'. Hence they are not getting CI rates
            • For other employees, we have just re-calculated the CI rates again and scanned for mismatching cost, all employees are now getting cost from election effective date (and not from '01/01/2018'). All costs are looking good. Please check again and let us know if you found any discrepancies.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited Hi Debbie Kulling , Please find below our observations Employees whose plan effective date has been changed to '07/01/2016' are NOT eligible to CI rates with effective date '07/01/2016'. Hence they are not getting CI rates For other employees, we have just re-calculated the CI rates again and scanned for mismatching cost, all employees are now getting cost from election effective date (and not from '01/01/2018'). All costs are looking good. Please check again and let us know if you found any discrepancies. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            I don't understand the first bullet. Why are they not getting a rate. The rate effective date is 1/1/2016 and their elections are 7/1/2016. They should be getting a rate with their age as of 7/1/2016

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - I don't understand the first bullet. Why are they not getting a rate. The rate effective date is 1/1/2016 and their elections are 7/1/2016. They should be getting a rate with their age as of 7/1/2016
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited

            I apologize for first bullet, I wanted to say that "We have changed CI election effective date to '07/01/2016' for 25 employees but these 25 employees are NOT satisfying eligibility criteria set for CI rates. Hence they are not getting CI rates even if we changed rate effective date to '01/01/2016'"

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - - edited I apologize for first bullet, I wanted to say that "We have changed CI election effective date to '07/01/2016' for 25 employees but these 25 employees are NOT satisfying eligibility criteria set for CI rates. Hence they are not getting CI rates even if we changed rate effective date to '01/01/2016'"
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            Have you verified changes in HSPL copy? Shall we do data correction on MAIN company?

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , Have you verified changes in HSPL copy? Shall we do data correction on MAIN company? Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Can you please reactivate the HSPL Copy. Also whey are the 7/1/2016 employees not meeting the rate eligibility. I cannot figure it out?

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Can you please reactivate the HSPL Copy. Also whey are the 7/1/2016 employees not meeting the rate eligibility. I cannot figure it out?
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            I have reactivated HSPL copy. Please check. Will get back to you in sometime regarding rate eligibility query.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , I have reactivated HSPL copy. Please check. Will get back to you in sometime regarding rate eligibility query. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            As requested, we have updated effective date of CI plans to 07/01/2016 for 25 employees (25 are out of given 27 employees). But these employees were added in system with effective date 01/01/2017 only.

            Hence system is not considering them as eligible on effective date 07/01/2016. Do we need to change effective dates for given employees? Please advise.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , As requested, we have updated effective date of CI plans to 07/01/2016 for 25 employees (25 are out of given 27 employees). But these employees were added in system with effective date 01/01/2017 only. Hence system is not considering them as eligible on effective date 07/01/2016. Do we need to change effective dates for given employees? Please advise. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Yes please change the effective dates for the employees.

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Yes please change the effective dates for the employees.
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            We have done data correction and and also recalculated CI rates in HSPL copy. Please check and confirm.

            Please let us know your comments so that we can do correction in MAIN Company on PRODUCTION.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , We have done data correction and and also recalculated CI rates in HSPL copy. Please check and confirm. Please let us know your comments so that we can do correction in MAIN Company on PRODUCTION. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            Can you please reactivate the HSPL company so we can check

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - Can you please reactivate the HSPL company so we can check
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            rakesh.shahane Rakesh Shahane (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,
            We have activated County of San Luis Obispo HSPL company on production.

            Please let us know if you required more details.

            CC-Abhilash Warkari, Suraj Sokasane, Vinayak Kulkarni, Satya

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            rakesh.shahane Rakesh Shahane (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , We have activated County of San Luis Obispo HSPL company on production. Please let us know if you required more details. CC- Abhilash Warkari , Suraj Sokasane , Vinayak Kulkarni , Satya
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            We checked this and the employees in the list provided and you changed their effective date to 1/1/2017 NOT 7/12016. Please correct ASAP on the HSPL copy so we can check before any changes are made on the live copy

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - We checked this and the employees in the list provided and you changed their effective date to 1/1/2017 NOT 7/12016. Please correct ASAP on the HSPL copy so we can check before any changes are made on the live copy
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            Please find below 3Cs :

            Concern Employee didn't get rate as per age on "date of election"
            Cause
            • 2018 rates are mapped to Critical Illness plans with "Calculate Plan Costs On" flag set to "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election"
            • Rate effective date was "01/01/2018", hence system was allocating cost as EE's age on "01/01/20018"
            • As discussed in call, there are no 2017 rates mapped to given Critical Illness plans
            Correction As discussed in call dev needs to do following steps to get correct cost for CI elections
            • Change Rate start date to 01/01/2016.
            • Re-calculate CI rates for all employees.
            • Additionally, dev need to change effective date to 07/01/2016 of CI election for given employees.
            • Also as recent comments, dev need to change employee effective date and additional form data effective date of given employees to make them eligible for CI rates.

            Please note : HSPL copies gets deactivated every CST and PST morning. Also those can be restored by dev team as required. While restoring HSPL copy, system restores it from main company. Therefore you are getting same/old data as that is present in main company. Dev needs to do required change/correction again in this case. So, we will re-activate and do correction in HSPL copy on tomorrow (12/13/2017) PST morning. Please verify the changes on same day.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , Please find below 3Cs : Concern Employee didn't get rate as per age on "date of election" Cause 2018 rates are mapped to Critical Illness plans with "Calculate Plan Costs On" flag set to "Age or Years of Service at Time of Election" Rate effective date was "01/01/2018", hence system was allocating cost as EE's age on "01/01/20018" As discussed in call, there are no 2017 rates mapped to given Critical Illness plans Correction As discussed in call dev needs to do following steps to get correct cost for CI elections Change Rate start date to 01/01/2016. Re-calculate CI rates for all employees. Additionally, dev need to change effective date to 07/01/2016 of CI election for given employees. Also as recent comments, dev need to change employee effective date and additional form data effective date of given employees to make them eligible for CI rates. Please note : HSPL copies gets deactivated every CST and PST morning. Also those can be restored by dev team as required. While restoring HSPL copy, system restores it from main company. Therefore you are getting same/old data as that is present in main company. Dev needs to do required change/correction again in this case. So, we will re-activate and do correction in HSPL copy on tomorrow (12/13/2017) PST morning. Please verify the changes on same day. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            The employees given still do not have a 7/1/2016 effective date?

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - The employees given still do not have a 7/1/2016 effective date?
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            We have done correction on HSPL copy again. Please check and confirm

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , We have done correction on HSPL copy again. Please check and confirm Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            We have audited all the changes on the HSPL copy and all are correct. Please proceed with making the exact same changes on the live copy.

            Thank you for your help

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - We have audited all the changes on the HSPL copy and all are correct. Please proceed with making the exact same changes on the live copy. Thank you for your help
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            We have done exact same correction on the live copy in PRODUCTION. Please check and confirm

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , We have done exact same correction on the live copy in PRODUCTION. Please check and confirm Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling,

            As this ticket doesn't require any code change(s), could you please convert this ticket to "Support Activity"?

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling , As this ticket doesn't require any code change(s), could you please convert this ticket to "Support Activity"? Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jyoti Mayne
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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment -

            I don't know how to change it to a support ticket. Please advise

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            dkulling Debbie Kulling added a comment - I don't know how to change it to a support ticket. Please advise
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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment -

            Hi Debbie Kulling.

            As discussed with Jaideep Vinchurkar rejecting this ticket (which was initially reported as bug) as no code changes required and can be done using customization changes. No need to convert this to Support Activity.

            Thanks and Regards,
            :: Umesh Kadam

            CC : Satya, Gaurav Sodani, Amruta Lohiya, Jaideep Vinchurkar, Jyoti Mayne

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            umesh.kadam Umesh Kadam (Inactive) added a comment - Hi Debbie Kulling . As discussed with Jaideep Vinchurkar rejecting this ticket (which was initially reported as bug) as no code changes required and can be done using customization changes. No need to convert this to Support Activity. Thanks and Regards, :: Umesh Kadam CC : Satya , Gaurav Sodani , Amruta Lohiya , Jaideep Vinchurkar , Jyoti Mayne

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